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Sorting It All Out #3
26 Nov 2005, Sheila writes:
"Hi again,
In your email you say that the John McGlaughlin Jr. in the land patents - dated 1801 and 1816 - is the son of John #1 b. in 1764. If I'm correct John #1 is the person who left the will in 1838 naming his son Daniel as executor. However, there is a problem in assigning the land patents for John Jr. to John #2. From what I've gleaned John #2 wasn't born until 1801 so he can't be the John Jr. in the patents. This is why there has to be another John McGlaughlin.
In the 1810 Bath Co. Census there are two John McGlaughlins: one is over age 45 and the other is age 26 through 44, but they're not designated Jr. or Sr. John #1 seems to be the older one in the 1810 census, b. in 1764, he would have been age 46, and the ages of the children fit. Then who is the younger John? Is he the one they call "Jr." in the land patents?
John Mcglaughlin Bath, VA 1810
2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
John Mcglaughlin Bath, VA 1810 [John #1? There should be 4 sons: Daniel, Hugh, John. James.]2 1 0 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 0 0
In the 1820 census there are still two John McGlaughlins in Bath County, but John #1 now has seven boys, and none of them are under age 10.
John McGlaughlin, Bath 1820 [John #1?] 0 2 1 4 0 1 0 1 2 0 1 0 7
John McGlaughlin Bath, 1820 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 3
[This John McGlaughlin appears to be in Pocahontas Co. in 1830, age 40-50, which can't be right if he's age 45 & older in 1820. The number of sons fit, but the number of daughters don't, no does the age of his wife, age 40-50.]
1830 census, Pocahontas Co.
John McGlaughlin 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Any help you can give me on figuring this out would be much appreciated - too many anomolies for my poor aging brain. Perhaps I'm making mountains out of mole hills.'ll tackle Daniel #1 in another email.
Regards, Sheila"
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26 Nov 2005, Joan replies:
"[In a message dated 11/26/2005 11:47:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Sheila writes:
In your email you say that the John McGlaughlin Jr. in the land patents - dated 1801 and 1816 - is the son of John #1 b. in 1764. ]
No, I'm sorry if I confused you. John McGlaughlin, Jr., that bought that property was not the son of John McGlaughlin born in 1764. John #1 did have a son named John, born about 1801 who married Sally Wiley (daughter of Nany McGlaughlin Wiley) that I mentioned in my previous email.
As for your census figures, let me try to help you match them up:
John #1, born about 1764 and living all his adult life in Bath/Highland, had the following children (all birth years are approximate, unless I have an exact date):
Nancy, 1788 (married Carpenter, moved to Pocahontas)
Jane, 1791 (married Benson)
Peggy, 1794 (married Carpenter, moved to Pocahontas)
Abigail (married Galford, moved to Poc.)
Mary (married Beverage)
Daniel, 1796 (married Carpenter, moved to Poc)
Hugh, 17 Aug 1798 (married Grimes, then Sharp, moved to Poc)
John, 1801, (Married Wiley, stayed in Highland)
James, 1806 (married Sprowle)
Samuel, 1810 (Married Wright, died young, son HP moved to Poc, son Robert stayed in Highland and died in Civil War)
Robert, 1811 (died young adult)
John #2, born about 1781
Elizabeth (married Ratcliffe)
Nancy (married Higgins, died young)
William, 1807 (moved off to unknown parts) [Has since been found in Braxton County, WV.]
James, 1812 (moved off) [Braxton County]
John, 1817 (married Carpenter, daughter of Nancy McLaughlin above, died young)
(Also in his household in 1810 was most likely his [possible] younger brother, born in 1801, (Squire) Hugh McLaughlin, died in Pocahontas about 1870.)
You said: ------ John McGlaughlin Bath, 18202 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 3[This John McGlaughlin appears to be in Pocahontas Co. in 1830, age 40-50, which can't be right if he's age 45 & older in 1820. The number of sons fit, but the number of daughters don't, no does the age of his wife, age 40-50.]
When I have a chance I'll look this over, but there were only two John McLaughlins at that time in Bath. They both had sons named John, but they were both young enough not to make a difference. The younger John did move to Pocahontas. Don't put too much stock in census records, they are only an approximate marker or a clue, if you take them too literally they'll make you crazy, because they are so wrong, so often.
Joan"
"Hi again,
In your email you say that the John McGlaughlin Jr. in the land patents - dated 1801 and 1816 - is the son of John #1 b. in 1764. If I'm correct John #1 is the person who left the will in 1838 naming his son Daniel as executor. However, there is a problem in assigning the land patents for John Jr. to John #2. From what I've gleaned John #2 wasn't born until 1801 so he can't be the John Jr. in the patents. This is why there has to be another John McGlaughlin.
In the 1810 Bath Co. Census there are two John McGlaughlins: one is over age 45 and the other is age 26 through 44, but they're not designated Jr. or Sr. John #1 seems to be the older one in the 1810 census, b. in 1764, he would have been age 46, and the ages of the children fit. Then who is the younger John? Is he the one they call "Jr." in the land patents?
John Mcglaughlin Bath, VA 1810
2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
John Mcglaughlin Bath, VA 1810 [John #1? There should be 4 sons: Daniel, Hugh, John. James.]2 1 0 0 1 1 1 2 1 0 0 0
In the 1820 census there are still two John McGlaughlins in Bath County, but John #1 now has seven boys, and none of them are under age 10.
John McGlaughlin, Bath 1820 [John #1?] 0 2 1 4 0 1 0 1 2 0 1 0 7
John McGlaughlin Bath, 1820 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 3
[This John McGlaughlin appears to be in Pocahontas Co. in 1830, age 40-50, which can't be right if he's age 45 & older in 1820. The number of sons fit, but the number of daughters don't, no does the age of his wife, age 40-50.]
1830 census, Pocahontas Co.
John McGlaughlin 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Any help you can give me on figuring this out would be much appreciated - too many anomolies for my poor aging brain. Perhaps I'm making mountains out of mole hills.'ll tackle Daniel #1 in another email.
Regards, Sheila"
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26 Nov 2005, Joan replies:
"[In a message dated 11/26/2005 11:47:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Sheila writes:
In your email you say that the John McGlaughlin Jr. in the land patents - dated 1801 and 1816 - is the son of John #1 b. in 1764. ]
No, I'm sorry if I confused you. John McGlaughlin, Jr., that bought that property was not the son of John McGlaughlin born in 1764. John #1 did have a son named John, born about 1801 who married Sally Wiley (daughter of Nany McGlaughlin Wiley) that I mentioned in my previous email.
As for your census figures, let me try to help you match them up:
John #1, born about 1764 and living all his adult life in Bath/Highland, had the following children (all birth years are approximate, unless I have an exact date):
Nancy, 1788 (married Carpenter, moved to Pocahontas)
Jane, 1791 (married Benson)
Peggy, 1794 (married Carpenter, moved to Pocahontas)
Abigail (married Galford, moved to Poc.)
Mary (married Beverage)
Daniel, 1796 (married Carpenter, moved to Poc)
Hugh, 17 Aug 1798 (married Grimes, then Sharp, moved to Poc)
John, 1801, (Married Wiley, stayed in Highland)
James, 1806 (married Sprowle)
Samuel, 1810 (Married Wright, died young, son HP moved to Poc, son Robert stayed in Highland and died in Civil War)
Robert, 1811 (died young adult)
John #2, born about 1781
Elizabeth (married Ratcliffe)
Nancy (married Higgins, died young)
William, 1807 (moved off to unknown parts) [Has since been found in Braxton County, WV.]
James, 1812 (moved off) [Braxton County]
John, 1817 (married Carpenter, daughter of Nancy McLaughlin above, died young)
(Also in his household in 1810 was most likely his [possible] younger brother, born in 1801, (Squire) Hugh McLaughlin, died in Pocahontas about 1870.)
You said: ------ John McGlaughlin Bath, 18202 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 3[This John McGlaughlin appears to be in Pocahontas Co. in 1830, age 40-50, which can't be right if he's age 45 & older in 1820. The number of sons fit, but the number of daughters don't, no does the age of his wife, age 40-50.]
When I have a chance I'll look this over, but there were only two John McLaughlins at that time in Bath. They both had sons named John, but they were both young enough not to make a difference. The younger John did move to Pocahontas. Don't put too much stock in census records, they are only an approximate marker or a clue, if you take them too literally they'll make you crazy, because they are so wrong, so often.
Joan"
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